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Brendan Marchetti
9/8/2014 11:05:23 pm
Gladwell's Canadian as well
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arin schatzman
9/8/2014 11:06:11 pm
he is canadian journalist who has been working at the new yorker for many years
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:06:26 pm
I think he broke it down very well, because he had many examples of people that we would know.
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:07:46 pm
His concept is that all these people had around 10,000 hours of practice and became successful because of it.
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Dominick Calcara
9/8/2014 11:07:52 pm
I agree with Cole's statement about Gladwell's argument being confusing, seeing as Gladwell jumped to many different examples very quickly. He seemed to say a few things about one example, then suddenly switch to another example with almost no warning.
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Brendan Marchetti
9/8/2014 11:08:19 pm
Why is 10,000 hours the mastery time, why is the the time chosen why not 20,000 or 5,000?
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Kelsey Scheidt
9/8/2014 11:08:27 pm
I agree that Gladwell explained the 10,000 hour rule way too complex. It's a simple concept and he took it too deep. Honestly, I don't think it should of took of twenty minutes to completely explain, but he did a great job with the explanations.
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arin schatzman
9/8/2014 11:08:42 pm
Gladwell used the Beatles and other examples to show that the 10000 hour rule is applicable to many fields
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:08:56 pm
He was very repetitive at explaining what the 10,000 hour rule was and exactly what he meant. Some of the wording could have been a little confusing but with his repetition, the concept was pretty clear.
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Jarod Francis
9/8/2014 11:09:17 pm
I think it sorta depends on how you're raised, but everyone has their own hidden talent
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Joe Fairbanks
9/8/2014 11:09:23 pm
good use of an outside example
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:09:49 pm
Some people are born with an advantage, but if they don't work hard then that advantage will do nothing for them.
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:10:39 pm
I think that talent is working hard but also what you are grown up to know. If you are raised in a very athletic family, you are most likely to be athletically inclined.
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Kelsey Scheidt
9/8/2014 11:10:47 pm
I do not believe that the date you were born will have an effect on your successfulness. It's what you do and how you spend your time to make yourself successful.
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Emma Girdler
9/8/2014 11:11:12 pm
I disagree with having to practice about 10,000 hours to become a professional. Many people are skilled in many different things and some are more skilled than others. It all depends on what you do to become successful and not all about practice.
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:12:03 pm
Bill Gates and the Beatles are well known
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arin schatzman
9/8/2014 11:12:06 pm
Gladwell continuously stresses that one of the biggest keys to success is favorable circumstance,which everyone who has been mentioned in both of the articles that we read has had.
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:12:56 pm
The author used many different examples because he wanted to give different people as examples to show that this effects everyone and not just one defined group of people.
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Tyler Hague
9/8/2014 11:13:28 pm
I think that being born at a certain time has to do with what you decide to do with your life but not necessarily how good you are at what you decide to do.
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Jarod
9/8/2014 11:14:25 pm
You can be born with different gifts like brains, athletics, and musical talent
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:14:33 pm
You are sometimes born with a higher level of intelligence based on your genes and how you are raised also is very important.
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Quinesha Watson
9/8/2014 11:14:46 pm
No I believe everyone is born the same and that whatever work you put in is how much you will get out.
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Dominick Calcara
9/8/2014 11:15:03 pm
I believe that some are born with a better ability to learn than others. Some learn in different ways, or learn different things. Some are good in school, but have no experience in sports because they were born to be smart in school. Meanwhile, others are born as good athletes, yet are not good in school.
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Brendan Marchetti
9/8/2014 11:15:12 pm
I feel like Gladwell only picks people who were at the beginning of an era like Gates was at the beginning of the computer era he didn't pick anyone from the current era. Maybe its because more people are getting 10,000 hours of practice and making his theory not as plausible
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Emma Girdler
9/8/2014 11:15:14 pm
I agree that everyone has their own born natural talent. Each individual person is dedicated to one thing they love to do most whether it'd be sports, anything related to art, etc.
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:15:22 pm
Everyone may be born differently, but each person grows to love what they're family is into. If you are born into a family of basketball players and exposed to basketball at a very young age, you will most likely be very good at basketball.
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arin schatman
9/8/2014 11:15:26 pm
Who's to say what a master is,everyone has a different way of going about things
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:15:43 pm
Why does the author choose to focus on the 1960's-70's?
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Kelsey Scheidt
9/8/2014 11:16:28 pm
I think that you cannot be born with a talent. I think it's how you're raised and what you are exposed too. People say the younger you start practicing something, the easier it is. I think that's true because you're being exposed to something at a young age and it's easier to learn something.
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:16:50 pm
The author appeals to readers because he states his claim then uses examples with ethos and logos to prove his claim is true.
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:16:58 pm
I believe that Pathos is out of context.
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Jarod
9/8/2014 11:17:37 pm
I think there is a difference in how you prepare, like if you just do something over and over and its wrong, you'll master the wrong way to do it. But, if you practice, then you should correct your mistakes and get better til you master the right way to do whatever your doing
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Dominick Calcara
9/8/2014 11:18:08 pm
I think Gladwell's discussion on the Matthew Effect could better involve pathos, considering how many are not able to be given the opportunity based on when they were born, yet the 10,000 hour effect can be achieved and followed by anyone, all people have the opportunity, some just don't take it.
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Tyler Hague
9/8/2014 11:18:20 pm
I think that pathos would not have been effective in an argument like this
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:19:13 pm
Do you believe that each example helps to solidify the theme? Or do some of them take away from it?
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Brendan Marchetti
9/8/2014 11:19:21 pm
So far all Gladwell's proven is that few people have gotten lucky, they were in the right place at the right time
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Joe Fairbanks
9/8/2014 11:19:32 pm
In My opinion it is all what your mind is capable of. If you work at something that you are good at then you become an expert. If you work at something that you are not good at then you become proficent at it, not a master
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:21:12 pm
His definition does not fit with mine.
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Jarod
9/8/2014 11:21:12 pm
Why do they expect you to be successful right after college, isn't that the hardest time to get a job?
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Emma Girdler
9/8/2014 11:21:22 pm
I agree on what Cole said. There will be people who work just as hard as famous people do on whatever they do and yet they're not seen as "successful" or "famous" because they don't have many opportunities like they do.
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:21:48 pm
Gladwells definition of success is based on someone who gets recognized for their hard work and talent. A person should not have to be famous and rich to be successful. They should be talented at what they want to do and if they have the talent, they are successful.
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Brendan Marchetti
9/8/2014 11:22:03 pm
I think Gladwell's definition of success is how much you have and how famous you have and I disagree with that, I think success is means happiness and if you have achieved your life's goals not other people's or society standards
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Quinesha watson
9/8/2014 11:22:18 pm
I do not believe that success is just about being rich and famous but also being happy with your life.
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Kelsey Scheidt
9/8/2014 11:22:55 pm
Gladwell's definition of success is very different of mine because it seems like you have to be rich, famous, being the best, and working super hard 24/7. But, when I think of success, it's what you want to do with your life, your life goals, and if you achieve them and you're happy with your life, then that is success.
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Dominick Calcara
9/8/2014 11:25:38 pm
I think that all people have something they were born to do, and that once they find it, they would be willing to do it for 10,000 hours. Some people find what they want to master before others, they just knew what they wanted to do.
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Paige Dornheggen
9/8/2014 11:25:44 pm
If someone actually puts in 10,000 hours of that work, they are more likely to be successful because they are actually focused on one thing and that's what they want to do, instead of focusing on many different things and be sort of good at each. If you really put in effort on one thing you will be more than just good.
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Kyle Boland
9/8/2014 11:26:19 pm
A jack of all trades is not as good as being the master of one.
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Jarod
9/8/2014 11:26:29 pm
How do you truly know when you are a master. How do we know the people that are the best, are the masters?
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Tyler Hague
9/8/2014 11:26:52 pm
I agree with Mrs. Bareswilt that only a handful of people are actually willing to put 10,000 hours in to something without getting bored of doing that thing, and then finding something else to do.
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Kelsey Scheidt
9/8/2014 11:27:02 pm
Gladwell says you have to put in 10,000 hours of work to master a skill. That is less than a year and a half total. Do you think it matters how many hours you put in a day? Or as long as you complete 10,000 hours it still applies?
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Arin schatzman
9/8/2014 11:27:26 pm
In west phillidelphia,born and raised,on the playground is where i spent most of my days.chillin out,relaxing,shootin some b-ball outside of the school when a couple guys who were up to no good,started making trouble in my neighborhood.I got in one little fight and my mom got scared and said,"you're moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel Aire".I whistled for a cab,and when it came near the license plate said "fresh" and had fuzzy dice in the mirror.If anything i could say that this cab was rare,but i thought,"nah,forget it",yo homes,to Bel Aire.I pulled up to a house about 7 or 8,i looked at my kingdom,I was finally there,to sit on my thrown as the prince of Bel Aire.
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Quinesha Watson
9/8/2014 11:28:21 pm
Just because you practice something for 10,000 hours does not mean you will be a master and be successful at it. it depends on how you feel about what your doing and if your applying yourself.
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arin schatzman
9/8/2014 11:35:34 pm
Now this the story all about how my life got twist turned upside down.This'll only take a minute,just sit right there, and lemme tell you the story of how I became the prince of a town called Bel Aire.In west phillidelphia,born and raised,on the playground is where i spent most of my days.chillin out,relaxing,shootin some b-ball outside of the school when a couple guys who were up to no good,started making trouble in my neighborhood.I got in one little fight and my mom got scared and said,"you're moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel Aire".I whistled for a cab,and when it came near the license plate said "fresh" and had fuzzy dice in the mirror.If anything i could say that this cab was rare,but i thought,"nah,forget it",yo homes,to Bel Aire.I pulled up to a house about 7 or 8,i looked at my kingdom,I was finally there,to sit on my thrown as the prince of Bel Aire.
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