Outer circle members comment in this thread during the seminar with questions that arise, takeaways, and things that stand out. You can comment on good points your classmates made, or rebuttals that come to mind. Be positive and respectful.
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:14:53 am
This Fishbowl is going to be amazing.
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Selina Sunderman
9/9/2014 02:19:50 am
A question that popped up was do you think that we could apply this rule to education and apply it to learning?
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:22:12 am
Danny agrees with this and he believes this and can connect it back to the first chapter because if you have an earlier start you have a better chance to apply your 10,000 hours.
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Ryan Bussard
9/9/2014 02:20:16 am
very good question and I beklve you can but theres so much to learn you can't be a master
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:20:28 am
Is the 10000 hour rule an over exaggeration? Can we apply this to school since we have already dedicated the 10,000 hours?
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Taylor
9/9/2014 02:20:42 am
I agree that we can't apply the 10,000 hour rule to education because we don't spend that many hours in one subject.
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:23:57 am
No it is not one specific topic but every year we just build on what we have learned not get a new complete topic. This can be seen in the first few weeks of school when you repeat what you did last year.
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Quinten Griffis
9/9/2014 02:28:29 am
I don't think its a matter of changing subjects, but more of topics. Like most people went form Algebra 1 to Geometry, then back to Algebra 2. That one year gap allows for a flaw in the fact we need that 10,000 hours to excel in Algebra. Also in science classes. It's always a different topic each year, unless you do an AP course.
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:33:48 am
The reason for that though is because you learn Trig in Geometry and that is a huge thing in Algebra 2, so that gap is needed to build off of so you can grasp the concept of Algebra 2.
Emma Sexton
9/9/2014 02:20:45 am
A question that came up during the seminar was if we think we can apply the 10,000 hours to our education? Like how can you be talented when your classes change every year as your changing grades.
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LIndsey A.
9/9/2014 02:21:00 am
a question that popped up was can we incorperate the 10000 hours of something with school? someone said like you dont have to practice at one subject to be good at it because some people are good at one and will put more time into another that they are struggling with
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Quinten Griffis
9/9/2014 02:21:08 am
This rule really only applies to jobs and things not education based. The 10,000 hour rule cant be used in schools.
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:27:19 am
How does it not apply to school? In your life time you spend more time in school than doing anything else in your life. Yes the topic changes but as I have said before it is just a building of what the curriculum is. Its not a completely new topic where you don't go over what you did last year or even a few years ago.
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Ethan
9/9/2014 02:21:09 am
Yes, that would be a good idea, from a young age we could choose what to study and get a large number of hours in before leaving school
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Tony Trame
9/9/2014 02:21:18 am
Hannah had a good point that even though we have had, or will have, 10,000 hours of schooling, that we haven't had 10,000 hours in a specific subject.
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Jenn Somtrakool
9/9/2014 02:21:38 am
I don't think this 1,000 hour rule applies at school. It's based on what your interests are. Some people are just naturally good at something. But if you practice more you could get better at it if you're really passionate and want to get better.
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Ben McGinnis
9/9/2014 02:21:39 am
I think it was an interesting point of view to see how the 10,000 hour rule could be incorporated into the education system. They said we have had 10,000 hours of school but not in a single subject. So therefore we do not have mastery in a subject.
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LIndsey A.
9/9/2014 02:22:41 am
because of the month you are born with that gives you the opportunity to get more help and practice to become better.
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:31:26 am
That only applies if you take the chance to get the extra practice and just because you have better opportunities doesn't mean anything, because my mom made me do math everyday in the summer and now I'm really good at math but I am no where near the cutoff date for the high school curriculum.
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Taylor
9/9/2014 02:22:41 am
If we can't use the 10,000 hour rule in high school can we use it in college since we are studying for one major?
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Julia Gomien
9/9/2014 02:22:47 am
I don't think we can incorporate it into education because it's required for us to do a bunch of different subjects, so we don't really have the time to spend 10,000 hours on only one subject.
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Selina Sunderman
9/9/2014 02:28:21 am
I totally agree with you Julia, I also think that even though we do have 10000 hours, we can't spend that time on one subject, the other subjects are important too.:)
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Jessica
9/9/2014 02:23:10 am
I think that the ten thousand hour rule applies more to practicing than to learning so I don't really think it would apply to school
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Emma
9/9/2014 02:23:17 am
A comment that came up was why would you keep spending hours on a subject you just mastered in school when you can spend some of those 10,000 hours on subjects you haven't mastered as well
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Nick Guthier
9/9/2014 02:23:19 am
Very interesting opening question by Daniel. I would answer yes, the 10,000 hour rule can be applied to education. In the question, he stated if you are dedicated to one subject for 10,000 hours, then you will be a master at the subject. If you wish to become a teacher, you would need to be a master of the subject. Over numerous years, preparing and teaching in the field will reach the 10,000 hours.
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Ryan Bussard
9/9/2014 02:23:50 am
Way to relate this chapter to the last by comparing the idea of "say it with me oppritunity" to the rules if the previous chapters
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Jenn Somtrakool
9/9/2014 02:24:19 am
I think that your knowledge is based on how you were raised. If you're parents really pushed you to do well, most likely you will be smarter. But if you're raised in a family where they don't care and don't help you, that might turn you into someone who doesn't care about school.
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Lindsey A.
9/9/2014 02:24:29 am
some people who have less than others arent able to take advantage of the year or month they were born with and it also has to do with the encouragment you get from your family.
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Selina Sunderman
9/9/2014 02:24:55 am
I agree with Jenna that she said that we can take advantage of our school, technology, and some people don't so thats why the rule may not work in school with 10000 hours.
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Ethan
9/9/2014 02:25:01 am
Yes, this rule doesn't apply as of right now, but school could be changed in order to get sufficient hours to become a master by the end of high school or college
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Jenn Somtrakool
9/9/2014 02:25:09 am
I don't think what month you were born is has anything to do with how smart you are.
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Quinten Griffis
9/9/2014 02:25:17 am
The idea of opportunity and when your are born can affect how many hours you receive on practicing something specific. Like with Hockey the kids born in Jan, Feb, and Mar get more time to practice so they get more "Opportunity" than kids born in Aug, or Sept. I think this idea kind backs-up the Matthew Affect, but not entirely. It also really depends on the persons drive, and determination.
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Ben McGinnis
9/9/2014 02:25:57 am
Someone had mention that if you are given an opportunity you have to take it. An example that given was that Bill Joy and Bill Gates were born in a time where computers were a new and interesting thing that many people didn't have an opportunity to use them, So when Bill Joy took advantage of the computer labs he got a huge advantage.
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Selina Sunderman
9/9/2014 02:25:58 am
How does the text embody the theme in chapter 2 was a great question by Jenna.
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Tony Trame
9/9/2014 02:26:24 am
After talking about opportunity in the chapter, do you believe that it's not just about when or where you were born, but seizing the opportunity that you were given at some point in life.
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Ethan
9/9/2014 02:28:14 am
Speaking the truth
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:37:15 am
That is completely true because if you're not smart enough to seize the opportunity then you will never advance as fast as you could.
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LIndsey A.
9/9/2014 02:26:49 am
how does the test enbody the theme of opportunity? they were talking about the year youre born in to where you cant be too old but not too young either and like bill gates, he was born right in the middle and always had a place to go to practice
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Lydia Cox
9/9/2014 02:26:56 am
I do not agree with Daniel that schools should use the 10000 hour rule because I think you can be just as smart as people who do not have the opportunity to have 10000 hours of practice. It is not just talent and it is not just opportunity it is a combination of a bunch of different factors.
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Selina Sunderman
9/9/2014 02:31:47 am
great comment lydia! I totally agree with you.
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Taylor
9/9/2014 02:27:00 am
I don't think the 10,000 hour rule should apply to how old you are because you could still have the same opportunities as someone born in January.
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Ben McGinnis
9/9/2014 02:31:01 am
You don't necessarily have the same opportunities as an older person because as it was discussed in chapter one. There are deadlines and cut offs for some of these opportunities. If you can't get into this opportunity it gives the older person an advantage.
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Jessica
9/9/2014 02:27:06 am
The theme of opportunity is a very delicate thing to mention because of all the different little details that could have messed up the big opportunity. I think the inner group handled this well including that you have to be in the right place at the right time.
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Meara Huheey
9/9/2014 02:27:17 am
I think that Hannah was right. It does not just matter what year you were born into. It depends on your ability to access these opportunities. Joy was born at the right time to become a programmer but he also had the ability to access the requirements for him to learn how to program.
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Nick Guthier
9/9/2014 02:27:50 am
Good point brought up by Anna. If Bill Gates and Bill Joy didn't have the opportunity to work 8+ hours each day, nobody would know them. They wouldn't reach 10,000 hours with this opportunity, and would not become master programmers.
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Ethan
9/9/2014 02:28:56 am
Exactly
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Nick Guthier
9/9/2014 02:30:26 am
Hannah*. Sorry
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Ryan Bussard
9/9/2014 02:27:55 am
I like how some of the people speaking are thinking outside of the 10,000 rule they are realating it to other ideas and generating new questions within those ideas
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Julia Gomien
9/9/2014 02:28:23 am
I agree that opportunity mostly comes from your environment and age
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Emma
9/9/2014 02:29:19 am
Someone said that availability is a factor but so is if you are rich or poor. If you are rich you have more options then someone who is poor because you have more money to pay for the schooling you need and to get their 10,000 hours while someone who is poor is struggling to get the schooling they need and struggled to get even close to their 10,000 hours to have mastered what they are wanted to be or do.
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Lindsey A.
9/9/2014 02:29:54 am
nothing had to do with ur age but the era you were born in because alot of people were willing to support you and technology wasnt really that big so the money it cost back then wasnt as much as it is now and something thats new now is less likely to be noticed because the basic things and big/main things are already there
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Jenn Somtrakool
9/9/2014 02:30:06 am
Maybe what year they were born in did have a factor in their success. They could have been born right on time and be old enough to learn about something that was just introduced. But I still don't think the month has anything to do with their success.
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Jessica
9/9/2014 02:30:33 am
A point brought up is that the forerunners of computer technology all took advantage of their resources. Now people who are trying to create new software that will go unnoticed because we already have good operating systems and we don't really need and new computer technology.
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Meara Huheey
9/9/2014 02:30:51 am
The people who were able to become successful because they were innovative and had ideas that were wanted and needed at the time. When computers were new there was so much more to be learned about them.
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Ethan
9/9/2014 02:31:17 am
At the end of the day it is a combination of talent, opportunity, luck, hard work and determination that leads to success, some of these are in your control, some aren't, thats just the way things are
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Tony Trame
9/9/2014 02:31:20 am
Overall, I believe that the 10,000 hour rule could be a counterargument against the matthew effect. I think it could be a counterargument because the matthew effect is about chance and or luck in which the time you were born, but the 10,000 hour rule is about taking the time and putting in hard work. Anyone could achieve the 10,000 hours, but only a few are given a chance with the matthew effect.
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Julia Gomien
9/9/2014 02:32:10 am
I agree that success isn't always just having a lot of money, but that it's usually just being happy
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Ryan Bussard
9/9/2014 02:33:27 am
I agree with the fact that it does not take 10,000 hours to be great at somthing however I do belive it takes a large amount of time, work and dedication
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Jenn Somtrakool
9/9/2014 02:34:11 am
I agree if you start something when you're younger, you have a big chance of growing up being good at it.
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Quinten Griffis
9/9/2014 02:34:52 am
Matthew Gladwell's definition of success if defined by wealth. Success is what you desire to do and if you accomplish this then its successful. It's based on how your dreams are made, and built. If your dream is to run an Ice Cream truck, then when you get the truck and sell ice cream your dream is accomplished, and you might not be rich, but you'll be happy.
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Nick Guthier
9/9/2014 02:35:02 am
Gabi brings up a good point bringing up the idea of parents amount of role in what kids are interested in. With parents raising kids a certain way, it definitely influences their passion towards certain subjects.
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Ben McGinnis
9/9/2014 02:35:02 am
Someone brought up the idea that it also mattes what your parents helped you do as a child. There are some parents who put kids in to sports in kindergarten and some who won't them start playing sports until middle school. They kid who started in kindergarten has been playing for years now and has hundreds of hours in compared to the other just starting.
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Jessica
9/9/2014 02:35:30 am
Some things don't need to really be practiced as much because they have an already excelled at that one thing. If someone can do something easily then they can practice easier, it doesn't mean that they practice for less time, it's just easier for them to understand what they are practicing.
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Quinten Griffis
9/9/2014 02:35:34 am
"You can always improve yourself." -Gabby 2014
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Quinten
9/9/2014 02:37:59 am
Gabi 2014**
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Selina Sunderman
9/9/2014 02:36:16 am
I agree with Sophia that you can be really good at something, but you can't call yourself a master at it, because you would be called perfect and no one is perfect.
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Lydia Cox
9/9/2014 02:36:53 am
I do not agree with the author's definition of success. He basically says that being successful is just being rich or famous. But I think it is much more than that. To me it is to be content with your lives work and to feel pride in yourself.
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Brenden
9/9/2014 02:41:14 am
I completely agree, because if you are successful in your own eyes it doesn't matter what anyone else says. Success is defined on you and no one else you can be poor and be successful at something.
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Taylor
9/9/2014 02:37:24 am
I also agree that your environment influences how much you will be successful. If you were grown up doing something then you could be more successful at that one thing then others.
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Emma
9/9/2014 02:38:09 am
Someone said that you can always improve yourself and that nobody can master a certain thing because nobody is perfect
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Lydia Cox
9/9/2014 02:39:22 am
Why does the author choose to emphasize opportunity vs talent?And how?
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Jessica
9/9/2014 02:40:14 am
The authors definition of success in on an overblown level, not everyone has to be famous and rich to be successful. To someone else, success could be mastering a song you have been working on, or painting something that makes you really proud.
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Jim Carrey
9/9/2014 02:42:06 am
LOOK MA NO HANDS!!!!
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Emma
9/9/2014 02:42:08 am
What was brought up was if you're passionate about something your're driven to do better at it and to try to reach the 10,000 hours but sometimes when you're passionate about something some people stand in the way because of your age or your gender and you get stopped and can't do what your passionate about
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Emma Sexton
3/10/2015 02:26:57 am
I believe that the cat was a figment of his imagination to represent the guilt he was feeling after he had just hung his favorite pet Pluto and the guilt started to eat at him. The new cat was a constant reminder of Pluto since the cat looked just like Pluto and the white mark around the new cats neck was a reminder that he hung Pluto. This caused him to start to go mad and then one day when the cat was annoying him he snapped and he ended up killing his wife.
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